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 KingCobra,, what UP in illinois??? 
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Station ID: 1:EB789320

CPM: current 1720 High 1894 Low 1557 Average 1708
GMC-300E Plus w PI Located Outside attached to Holmes HEPA Filter

You are running RADCON 5 DUDE!!

Last updated: Tue Nov 18 2014 2:30 PM GMT-0500

Is your station running OK? They are doing videos on facebook and wondering what is up,,,,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... qVxdsNguEE

REBOOT HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Your highest CPM was 7,298 whoooaaaaa!!!

Time to check that GMC and run tests???


Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:44 pm
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King Cobra,, your station is at Radcon3. What is up with your GC and filter???? you are running


Station ID: 1:EB789320 Saint Charles, IL, US

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CPM: current 574 High 670 Low 536 Average 605
GMC-300E Plus w PI Located Outside attached to Holmes HEPA Filter

Last updated: Thu Nov 20 2014 12:29 PM GMT-0500


Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:44 pm
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There are only a couple of reasonable explanations for these outrageous readings...

1) Bad filter unit:

Bear in mind that it is possible that the magnets in this unit are to blame as they are rare earth and if manufactured with contaminates or assembled wrong these magnets could produce hot particles. As the unit operates these magnets rub against the motor shaft to produce the connection required to turn the fan inside the unit.

Kinda scary to think you could purchase a bad filter unit and contaminate your home with cobalt or other rad materials...



2) Hot particle trapped in the filter unit.

As a particle gets trapped in the filter unit it continues to register and add to the overall count from then until it decays or you change the filter. As another gets trapped it doubles the reads and so on. If the particle(s) get by the filter and lodge in the unit itself changing the filter won't eliminate the "spiked" readings. I would have to say (just guessing) you have one or more hot particles lodged in the purifier unit. After switching out the detector and getting the same readings it must be the purifier unit that has the particle(s).

As there is a plastic bag covering the detector this would be a (rather HOT) Gamma detection.

My suggestion is to try a completely new purifier of a different manufacture. If you get the same readings over time it would indicate hot particles in the environment.


Be very careful when handling the current unit. Place it (filter attached) in a plastic bag and check with Arnie over at Fairewinds to see if they would like to test it.

And please let me know what happens as if they are not interested I may can find you someone who is.


For more info...

Read my post: Lung particle simulation - Do it now!!!

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Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:03 am
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Hey...

Been thinking ;-) about this and it may be that winds are
hitting the unit and stressing the motor (i would expect some probs with
smoke from the magnets if the wind pressure from a gust blows through the
unit).




I like a large plastic tote container as a idea to stop this prob...


White is better but...

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Rubbermaid-Cl ... e/38664641


Put it upside down on a post and place the units under it. Screw the lid
down through the upside down container into the post (or use the lid for
something else) and let the container be open underneath.

Use some velcro tape to fasten the counters and pi to the inside of the
container.


Best to let the velcro tape cure inside a heated place and I would staple
the velcro tape to the plastic container.

Do this and you may be able to remove the plastic bag(s) from your
counter(s) as they will already be weatherproof.









vicky13 wrote:
Station ID: 1:EB789320

CPM: current 1720 High 1894 Low 1557 Average 1708
GMC-300E Plus w PI Located Outside attached to Holmes HEPA Filter

You are running RADCON 5 DUDE!!

Last updated: Tue Nov 18 2014 2:30 PM GMT-0500

Is your station running OK? They are doing videos on facebook and wondering what is up,,,,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... qVxdsNguEE

REBOOT HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Your highest CPM was 7,298 whoooaaaaa!!!

Time to check that GMC and run tests???

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Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:00 pm
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Sorry for my late reply, but the stations readings listed in the posts above are from the Saint Charles Illinois NETC (seen by the 1: in front of the station number) station not mine. My station is the South Beloit Illinois location and my readings have been nothing even close to the high readings seen from the Saint Charles Illinois high readings.

My stations highest reading has been 143 CPM and while that is not anywhere near the high readings seen from Saint Charles, I keep our kids inside when anything over 32 CPM is reached for more than 2+ minutes in a row.

:!: My outside unit runs 24/7 and I can assure all of you that if I get high readings from my outside unit that I can confirm with my InspectorEXP or Mazur 9000, I will post on this forum to alert everyone of my findings.

I hope to find a post somewhere on this forum from Saint Charles giving any ideas why that station had such high readings.


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Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:29 pm
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Hiya,, Opps I thought that was one of your stations.

Hmm,, anyone have any idea who has that one. I am thinking it needs a reboot or testing.

People on facebook are in panic mode about that station,, LOL,,,


Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:24 pm
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OK, This is starting to get old...

... If these readings are accurate we have a real problem.

... Truthfully you shouldn't redesign the "wheel".

...If these readings were not spiked by unknown procedures and a redesign of the actual counter ALL those "in the know" could be at your aid immediately. If these readings were (verifiable) accurate we could expect to see sickness on a mass scale quickly....

Hasn't happened...

If these readings are "skewed" it detracts from ALL the data gathered, from everywhere for this database...


I wish I had the funds to place a beta gathering station on my property (but I don't). Changing ANY scientific instrument negates it's accuracy. I will therefore NOT alter the instruments used for my (very critical) data.


Ever heard of " Chicken Little"? Is the sky really falling? If it is then someone with a acronym (FBI, NSA, HSA) SHOULD find the source as this will be a VERY INTENSE localized detection. This is almost unthinkable and I'll bet if you place a new counter outside WITHOUT it being sealed in a plastic bag or using any other "addons" you will get totally normal reads.




I sincerely hope that these reading are a figment created by altering a measuring instrument (imagine your gas gauge telling you the car is full when it's not. ;-(...




WE MUST have accurate measurements FULL TIME to have any reliance and/or faith in the data... If your readings really are accurate please follow the proper procedures in reading ALL the filters (AC, WATER, VAC CLEANER, CAR ETC...) in your immediate area to PROVE IT TO YOURSELVES.


A quick starter post is...

https://www.netc.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1095

... You must follow the recipe to the letter and feel free to send me the numbers as someone needs to get to the bottom of this situation quickly.



I hope you don't have a legitimate problem!!!

Let me know what happens...

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Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:31 pm
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EB702D3F wrote:
...I'll bet if you place a new counter outside WITHOUT it being sealed in a plastic bag or using any other "addons" you will get totally normal reads.


My GMC-200 has been in a plastic bag outside 24/7 for well over a year. I own many geiger counters and two of them are pancake units. I believe the false readings due to having the units tube in a plastic bag happens with the pancake units, not the sealed glass tube king like the GMC-200, GMC-300. I believe any geiger counter that does not measure alpha radiation would be a sealed tube type.

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Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:09 pm
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Well? OK... But what about the other components? Most all the other components, capacitors, battery, etc... must "vent" (or they would all be totally sealed (waterproof) from the factory in the first place (not arguing, just stating the facts :-).

These readings are so critical and minute that you really have to be careful with the setup. Any overheat or "under/over volt" can cause TOTALLY fictitious reads (not to mention the occasional spider making a home in the unit) and i believe (really hope) that this is the case here. Take a look at the average battery emissions for a small device @ 9Volts.


http://www.biology.ualberta.ca/courses/ ... ?Page=6760


We either have to "rule out" these things or take the current reads seriously...


I hope to be able to "rule out" these extreeeeem readings...


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EB702D3F wrote:
...If it is then someone with a acronym (FBI, NSA, HSA) SHOULD find the source as this will be a VERY INTENSE localized detection. This is almost unthinkable and I'll bet if you place a new counter outside WITHOUT it being sealed in a plastic bag or using any other "addons" you will get totally normal reads.


My GMC-200 has been in a plastic bag outside 24/7 for well over a year. I own many geiger counters and two of them are pancake units. I believe the false readings due to having the units tube in a plastic bag happens with the pancake units, not the sealed glass tube king like the GMC-200, GMC-300. I believe any geiger counter that does not measure alpha radiation would be a sealed tube type.

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Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:25 pm
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I am only speaking about what I know from experience to have caused a problem in the readings. As for this stations readings in St. Charles Illinois, I have ruled them out. Why you ask? Well because I am so close and use the same setup as St.Charles. I have seen high readings myself, but nothing like St. Charles has had. Plus I believe if those readings were true, we would see other stations somewhere around it which would confirm those readings. The other reason I have ruled that stations readings out is because we have not heard from the stations operator during these readings so we can not verify them.

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